"Why have you told me this about the stone?" he asked hesitantly after a pause. “你干吗给我讲这些关于石头的话？”他停了停才迟疑地问。 "I did it without any specific intention. Or perhaps what I meant was, that love this very stone, and the river, and all these things we are looking at and from which we can learn. I can love a stone, Govinda, and also a tree or a piece of bark. This are things, and things can be loved. But I cannot love words. Therefore, teachings are no good for me, they have no hardness, no softness, no colours, no edges, no smell, no taste, they have nothing but words. Perhaps it are these which keep you from finding peace, perhaps it are the many words. Because salvation and virtue as well, Sansara and Nirvana as well, are mere words, Govinda. There is no thing which would be Nirvana; there is just the word Nirvana." “没什么目的。或许我就是想说，我喜欢石头、河水以及所有我们能仔细观察并向之学习的东西。我可以爱一块石头，戈文达，也可以爱一棵树或一树树皮。这些都是东西，东西是可以爱的。但是，我不能爱话语。因此，学说对于我算不了什么，它们没有硬度，没有柔软，没有色彩，没有棱角，没有气味，没有味道，只有话语。或许就是这些妨碍你得到安宁，或许就是这许多话语。因为获救与美德，轮回与涅槃，也仅仅是话语，戈文达。世上并没有涅槃这东西，只有涅槃这个词。” Quoth Govinda: "Not just a word, my friend, is Nirvana. It is a thought." 戈文达说：“朋友，涅槃不只是一个词。它是一种思想。” Siddhartha continued: "A thought, it might be so. I must confess to you, my dear: I don't differentiate much between thoughts and words. To be honest, I also have no high opinion of thoughts. I have a better opinion of things. Here on this ferry-boat, for instance, a man has been my predecessor and teacher, a holy man, who has for many years simply believed in the river, nothing else. He had noticed that the river's spoke to him, he learned from it, it educated and taught him, the river seemed to be a god to him, for many years he did not know that every wind, every cloud, every bird, every beetle was just as divine and knows just as much and can teach just as much as the worshipped river. But when this holy man went into the forests, he knew everything, knew more than you and me, without teachers, without books, only because he had believed in the river." 席特哈尔塔继续说：“一种思想，可以这么说吧。我得向你承认，亲爱的，我不大分得清思想和话语。坦白地说，我对思想也不大看重。我更看重事物。例如，在这只渡船上原来有一个人，是我的前辈和师长，一个圣洁的人，多年里他都是单纯地信仰河水，别的什么也不信。他发觉，河水的声音是在跟他说话，于是他向它学，让它教导和指点自己，他觉得这条河是个神。有很多年他并不知道，每一阵风，每一朵云，每一只鸟，每一只甲虫，也同样神圣，也能像这条可敬的河一样教导他。可是，在这位圣贤进入森林之后，他就知道了一切，比你和我知道得更多，不要老师，不用书本，只因为他信仰河水。” Govinda said: "But is that what you call `things', actually something real, something which has existence? Isn't it just a deception of the Maja, just an image and illusion? Your stone, your tree, your river-- are they actually a reality?" 戈文达说：“可是，你所说的‘事物’是真实的、实在的东西吗？它会不会只是玛雅的幻觉，只是幻影和假相呢？你的石头，你的树，你的河——它们是现实吗？” "This too," spoke Siddhartha, "I do not care very much about. Let the things be illusions or not, after all I would then also be an illusion, and thus they are always like me. This is what makes them so dear and worthy of veneration for me: they are like me. Therefore, I can love them. And this is now a teaching you will laugh about: love, oh Govinda, seems to me to be the most important thing of all. To thoroughly understand the world, to explain it, to despise it, may be the thing great thinkers do. But I'm only interested in being able to love the world, not to despise it, not to hate it and me, to be able to look upon it and me and all beings with love and admiration and great respect." 席特哈尔塔说：“我对这点没怎么在意。别管这些东西是不是假相吧，我自己其实就是假相，它们始终都像我一样。这便是它们令我喜爱和值得我敬重之处：它们都像我一样。因此，我能够爱它们。而这也是一种你可能会笑话的学说：戈文达，我觉得爱是一切事物中最重要的。看透这个世界，解释它，蔑视它，那大概是大思想家的事。而我所关心的只是能够爱这个世界，不蔑视它，不憎恨它以及我自己，能够怀着爱心、钦佩与敬畏来观察它以及我自己和所有生物。” "This I understand," spoke Govinda. "But this very thing was discovered by the exalted one to be a deception. He commands benevolence, clemency, sympathy, tolerance, but not love; he forbade us to tie our heart in love to earthly things." “这点我理解，”戈文达说，“但活佛恰恰认为这是虚伪。他要求善良、仁慈、同情和宽容，却没有爱；他不许我们的心受世俗之爱束缚。”